 kaorick [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 14:12:31
This is for the Humanitarian Contest, a social issue which is very important to me: Virginity and the idea of womens `purity` being situated somewhere between their legs. The virgin/whore dichotomy.
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This is quite a personal picture to me, actually. I am a nice, moral person, I am also not a virgin. I was with the guy I lost my virginity to for 2 years, in the end I agonized over breaking up with him because I'd wanted to marry the first guy I slept with (even though he was horrible to me). I realise now what a stupid choice it was to stay in a relationship which was destroying me just cause I didn't want to be one of `those girls`. I dont mind people who wait until marriage, thats nice for you. But I would urge all young women to remember that if someone truely loves you then a bit of skin (which most girls break uintentionally though excersise) would not matter to them. If someone loves you they love all of you. It seems the emphasis is on female virgins and womens sexuality that gets judged so harshly. If I went by any sort of scripture I would either have to be killed on my wedding night (??) or accept my old `sin` and apologise for it. I live a happy life with my 2nd ever boyfriend who I've been with for a year now and I'm much more confident about being who I am now, I wouldnt apologise or go back. I'm no longer controlled by an ex who decided that skirts were `looking for attention` and that make up made me a `slut`.
The most important thing to me is for girls not to let anyone shame them.
You are not your hymen.
More on this here if anyone wants to look: [link]
pc-fantasyfreek-mdl [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 14:47:18
Wow! This is a beautiful picture! Absolutaly stunning!
I think I may not be understanding your point though. Are you saying that it is ok to loose verginity before marrige? I "understand" all of the concepts, just not the overall piont.
And is the girl on the left *as you put it* a 'slut' and the girl on the left not? but they both did the same thing? Maybe I'm just not getting it, and need to go back to school! lol!
This is a beautiful picture! There is NO way I could win to art like this!
pc-fantasyfreek-mdl [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 14:52:14
oops! ment "girl on the RIGHT not" typos!
xylom [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 15:40:27
I do not believe in waiting until you are married to have sex. Saying that it is only when you are married is when you love someone is very untrue. And to put all women who have had sex and are not married as "whores" or "sluts" is demeaning. I,myself, do not hold my virginity as "sacred" or anything like that, and just because I haven't had "sex" (since I am fifteen) doesn't make me think of myself as "pure" or any better than someone who has.
Women, in this era, are all, or most, labled as whoreish, because of sterotypes, like strippers and hookers. And do I see them as bad people? No, I do not. They choose that lifestyle, as I choose mine and the majority of females choose theirs. That doesn't make anyone more of a slut or a saint than anyone else.
Sex isn't a dirty thing, but a natural urge. It is only called "dirty and immoral" by those who are blind or by people wanting the younger population to not have sex. It has always been abused, but it isn't something horrible, and by two people who do love eachother, beautiful.
Also, saying only women can be "whores" or anything like that is wrong. Men can be just as lusty, but saying all men are sex-crazed animals with no morals is completely untrue as well. And to say that only women should worry about their virginity and stay "pure", while men can have as much as they please and never worry is a mix of many lies.
The world today needs to get it's head out from it's arse, badly.
Now, onto the picture. I love the concept, as you should know, and I adore how you made the hair, and the faces are beautiful.
[anon]kit-kat912 2010/8/30 - 17:52:43
gorgous. Accepted
pc-fantasyfreek-mdl [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 18:7:57
Umm...I'm not trying to start anything, but now that I think of it, is this subject very appropriate? I'm not a mod and this is just my oppinion, but there are some very young people looking at this site and reading on this board everyday. I think this subjuct IS very important right now, but maybe should not be talked about on this board.
Like i said this is just my oppinion and do not mean it to be offensive. I really have no right to stop the conversation, but parents may appritiate their young children reading this.
Yes I did earlier comment on this issue earlier, so please do not brand me as hypocritical.
pc-fantasyfreek-mdl [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 18:10:16
oops! ment "parents may appritiate their young children NOT reading this" yea that kinda makes a big difference *stupid typos!*
lizziecat1279 [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 18:35:31
this is absolutely beautiful. i agree with you, even though i am one of those people who are waiting till marriage. for me, the guys that i would even think about having sex with wouldn't love me wholely, which is something that my husband will do.
i dunno.
and @fantasy: it says in the rules that this site is more or less rated pg-13. if parents don't want their kids learning about this and finding out the truth, then said kids shouldn't be on this site at all. that's one of the things i enjoy about this site, and so something like this shouldn't be a problem ^^
again, this is absolutely beautiful and a very VERY good point.
tayuyaxn [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 18:45:6
A very beautiful and meaningful picture, Kaorick. Being a guy, I never had this sort of ''social pressure'' about virginity (almost the opposite; girls who have sex are ''easy'', but guys should ''score''... nonsense, really) so I can't say I fully understand the fuss about hymens... But I'm glad you're with someone who respects you now.
Xyl > Can't say I understand having sex just for sex, I just don't get it. We really need to rewrite the popular expressions; Prostitutes aren't in this ''profession'' by choice or for fun. :/ It's idiotic to label women with a libertine streak as whores. (Same with the term nymphomaniac, I hate when people use the wrong terminology... Nymphomania is the obsessive-compulsive need to have sex, I can't imagine it could ever be pleasurable...)
PC > I don't see any offensive content though. It's fact of life stuff, let's not delude ourselves in thinking eleven years old aren't aware of sex (maybe not all the specifics, but then they need ''the talk'' or a ''how-to-safely'' book a little later). Parents *could* be offended, true. But that's because they want to overprotect their offspring and let them keep their ''innocence'', which is pretty hard in the hypersexualized society we have today.
pc-fantasyfreek-mdl [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 18:49:47
Ah yes! very true! I remember now! Ud think I would remember that because I've read the rules like a thousand times! I guess that I'm a bit impulsive and kinda look out for little kids or something! Yes that freedom is one of my favorite things about this site as well.
And also I am waiting for marrige. I feel that, even if I may want to, not having sex untill marige is kinda a test of true love. If your husband truly loves you, and you've made the decition to wait, then he will respect that and wait with you. There are religious reasons to wait as well but I wont get into that right now.
xylom [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 19:14:32
Tayu: Never said to have sex just for sex. Truue, I do not belive in being married before it, but I'm also not a fan of having it when you are really young. You should be with the one you love.
dreyacira [Profile] 2010/8/30 - 20:54:35
I love this picture, the women are lovely and the skin tones just gorgeous, so soft.
I agree with what you're saying. I had this room mate last year whose boyfriend convinced her to have sex with him, promising that they would eventually marry, so it was okay. She fell for it, and afterward when he tried to break up, she got so upset about the whole "losing virginity to a guy who I won't end up marrying" thing that she almost killed herself. It was a very stressful time for her (and for me!), and I felt that the whole issue would have been much better if her parents hadn't placed so much importance in virginity. She got past that and is much better now. I don't think I'm saving myself for marriage - I just haven't had the right guy, or any type of close guy, really. I'm too much of a freak about school. 8C
[anon]everin 2010/8/30 - 22:56:37
I had preferred the marriage thing, more of a preference that it's something special I want to give that person. I saved it, because I trusted them enough to give to them. But I also decided if it happened sooner because I trusted that person, because I love that person and it just happened then it didn't really matter.
But with my family it's always been you have to marry that person before having sex, blah blah blah. But I have found that person that I want to share it with, but I technically can't since she is also female. Haha.
I personally believe that people shouldn't have sex until they know what love is and what it means and how to do it safely. If you love that person go for it, just not something to do for a good time I think. There's too many emotions and feelings mixed up with it. But it shouldn't as something dirty, sex is a wonderful thing to share with a person you love.
Wonderful piece and it brings a nice insight on the whole thing.
kaorick [Profile] 2010/8/31 - 1:21:20
I think some people misunderstand- I'm not saying people should or should not have sex. I'm saying that if they do it doesnt make them a bad person. It doesnt make them `less` than someone who hasnt.
everin [Profile] 2010/8/31 - 2:4:10
It is a very good point and you show it nicely and stated it well. I think I got led off track, though. It's not a noticeable difference if you have had sex or not. How person views you changes when you tell them you have though. That's due to our culture how it is... Horrible thing.
lunar [Profile] 2010/8/31 - 2:45:23
the picture is beautiful, and i feel you have raised a number of meaningful issues in it. i also read everything in the link. personally - thou i am a bit to young at the moment i have friends older than me and i hate the way other people who don't even know them judge them on if they have/haven't had sex.
it has nothing to do with other people - and personally if you're their friend you shouldn't care, they are still the person they have always been . :)
jehearo [Profile] 2010/8/31 - 4:46:20
Personally, I think people should be treated equal even if they are a virgin not virgin. I believe that you should be mature and old enough tohave sex and not when you are 15, 14 since you should be with the one u love (as mentioned before) and also there are too many risks at that age since you could risk throwig away your education if you do become pregnant.
Anyhoo, the picture is awesome!!! How did you do clothing since I'm not too good at realistic shading for clothes :3
jehearo [Profile] 2010/8/31 - 4:46:23
Personally, I think people should be treated equal even if they are a virgin not virgin. I believe that you should be mature and old enough tohave sex and not when you are 15, 14 since you should be with the one u love (as mentioned before) and also there are too many risks at that age since you could risk throwig away your education if you do become pregnant.
Anyhoo, the picture is awesome!!! How did you do clothing since I'm not too good at realistic shading for clothes :3
serinanight [Profile] 2010/8/31 - 13:28:26
Commentary on idea, then picture.
I think the worst part of this idea is that some women are starting to believe it. Some girls think that as long as they don't have sex their pure and aren't doing anything wrong, but they can do everything else with every guy they know. I'm not saying this is wrong, but when they start saying that girls who have had sex with one guy are sluts just because they had sex... if either of these two is the slut, it's the one doing things with every guy they see. People can do whatever they want, but ideas like this are stupid. I agree on the fact that people should be judged by their moral character on how pure they are. Just because some knows about sex or has had it or makes jokes about it doesn't mean their no longer pure. It's just dumb. You make a great point (you all do) and I wish more people understood that. I think this problem does happen for guys as well, but on a different idea. Their almost pushed to have sex because it's cool, but at the same time people don't think highly of playboys. It's a sad situation we're all in. Especially when you put the two problems together.
I really like your shading, it shows the light and shadows very well. The folds in the clothes are just enough to make it fantastic. I like how you used the extreme stereotypes but kept them both clean and still gave them a real feel. The hair is also very lovely.
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